A couple of comments by a person who wished to remain anonymous were posted on the previous posting to this, this person obviously thinks that somehow or other the EU is democratic. Sadly, like so many, this anonymous person doesn’t seem to understand how the EU works and its ultimate aims hence the reason they support it. As they say, ignorance is bliss; our anonymous friend has been well and truly conned and sadly is not alone in this misconception.
There was a time when we had a full working democracy here in the UK, back in the days before we joined the Common Market when the British people could vote for their Government, which would then govern without having to obey the rules and edicts of a foreign power. Like so many anti-EU blogs we all look at what is going on in the EU, and report on its devious and Machiavellian ways, but forget to remind the less initiated, like our pro-EU anonymous friend, why it is wrong, why the EU is not democratic and why membership is such a bad thing. So, in homage to John Major, the man who finally destroyed any vestiges of faith I had in the Conservative Party and ensured I would become an active anti-EU campaigner and member of
UKIP – its back to basics.
How the EU works and why it is not democratic.Here in the UK every four to five years we go to the polls to vote for who we want as Members of Parliament and ultimately which political party we want to Govern. If the incumbent Government has made a hash of things and we all feel badly served by them, we can kick that Government out and elect another.
Once elected our new Government can take a look at all the legislation the previous Government put through and under the principal that no Government can bind its successor, the new administration can start to unravel everything the last Government put into place or amend certain laws to improve them. Under this system no Government is tied, other than by the laws of the land and the rules of Parliament.
This may not be absolutely perfect, but to quote Winston Churchill: “It has been said that democracy is the worst form of government except all the others that have been tried.”

So, what happens when we go all continental and hop over the channel to the seats of what is now our real masters in Brussels and Strasbourg - we get a real odd old assortment. In the EU there is a Parliament but no government; however, there is a President – in fact
three of them. None elected of course.
We have the President of the Parliament which is the equivalent of our Mr Speaker, there is the President of the EU Commission who in reality is a jumped up and glorified civil servant, then least but not last is the fairly new position of EU President, which was a position that came about thanks to the Lisbon Treaty. This treaty of course is a constitution for the EU but we are not supposed to call it that. The only elected body in this lot are those with the least power and the least say, these are the MEPs, there are 736 of them of which only 72 have been voted for by the British people – that is 10 per cent of the vote in the EU Parliament. Don’t forget 100 per cent in our Westminster Parliament have been voted for by the people of the UK.
All clear so far? Next we have the Council of Ministers, these are the ministers from each nation within the EU, they represent their nations regarding various areas such as finance, justice, transport and so on. If the Council of Ministers meet on finance matters then off trots our Chancellor of the Exchequer, another meeting may be on justice so off goes our Home Secretary, then of course when the Council meets for the leaders our PM trots along to have his two pence worth.
Now you may say what is wrong with that, all these fine upstanding souls are there to represent their nations and stand up for the people who elected them. No, wrong, they are there to represent the EU to their people; all EU meetings are for the interest of the EU – not the people.
At one time when the Council of Ministers debated proposals which may be harmful to the interests of one nation, such as the Withholding tax or new rules on banking or the finance industry which would destroy the City of London as one of the world’s most important trading centres and cost thousands in the UK their jobs, we used to have a veto which meant any harmful stuff could be killed off before it did any damage – but not now. Our veto is almost gone on most issues and all voting at these meetings is done by qualified majority voting (QMV). This means Britain usually loses out and we cannot stop the EU legislation that is going to wreck British jobs and our interests. Once the Council has voted upon it we are obliged to comply even if it is suicidal to our national interests – so no democracy there for the British electorate.
So where does most of the nonsense come from which is placed in front of the various Council of Ministers to debate? The answer is the EU Commission who no one anywhere elects. And where does the EU Parliament and MEPs come in? They are there to look pretty and pretend the EU is a democratic institution.

The MEPs have no power to legislate, they do not debate matters of great import as they are not allowed. In our Westminster Parliament MPs who want to speak catch the Speakers eye, who then calls them. There is little restriction on the length of time they speak and others can intervene, as long as the MP speaking is happy to ‘give way’. When the debates are over the MPs go into the lobbies where their vote for or against is noted. This is open, honest and quite straightforward.
Now let’s pop back across the Channel. When an MEP wants to speak on a topic he or she has to apply to speak and will be given an allotted time. Depending on their group and status they may be given as little as ninety seconds or up to three minutes. When they are called they say their little set piece and if they are unfortunate enough to overrun their microphone is switched off and the next speaker is up and into their brief timeslot and the army of interpreters, which costs a fortune to translate all the various languages into things like Gaelic, Maltese and other languages for countries that understand English anyway, begin to jabber away leaving the previous speaker talking to themselves.
After this, usually a week or two after these so-called debates, the voting begins. Now this really has to be seen to be believed. This is legislation being made on an epic scale, Henry Ford, the man accredited with the introduction of mass production would be mighty pleased to see the EU Parliament at voting time. Legislation and amendments are put into blocks, if an MEP is supportive of one thing in the block he/she may have to also vote in favour of other items in the block they do not support in order to vote for the one thing they do.
Even though the EU Parliaments (don’t forget there are two of them run at a vast cost) have electronic voting systems votes are done by a show of hands at a rapid pace. I have sat in the Brussels Parliament and to my dismay observed this shambles. The legislation or amendments number is read out, votes for, against and abstentions are called within split seconds of each other while the army of translators are jabbering away into the ear pieces of the MEPs who in turn raise their hands at what should be the appropriate time, but may actually be voting on the previous item due to the speed it is done and the lag in translation time. It literally is a case of the President saying for, against, abstentions, passed. Crash bang wallop and it is done and on to the next one.
Every now and then an MEP may shout “Check”, the vote is then done electronically by the pressing of buttons. More often than not the result is different to that which the President announced. This system is so fast the Parliament can usually plough through hundreds of pieces of legislation in an hour or so then its off to lunch and who cares about the trail of wreckage this legislation is going wreak on the various EU nations. As stated, Henry Ford would be a great admirer.
When you stop and consider that all law made in the EU, all of which overrides British law, and only 10 per cent of those in this process are under the control of the British electorate, it is not just worrying but truly frightening.
Of course there are the odd time the people in the EU, who no matter where you live are now classed as EU citizens, despite not one person anywhere in the EU has requested this change of national status, actually are given a say. Sadly, as far as the EU is concerned, when such anomalies occur the people usually get the answer wrong and have to repeat the whole thing again to ensure they give the response the EU wants. The Danish voted against the Maastricht Treaty an had to do it again and make sure they voted ‘Yes’ the second time. The Irish voted ‘No’ to the Nice Treaty and had to do it again and give the EU the answer it wanted. The French and Dutch voted ‘No’ to the EU constitution, which was then magically transformed into the Lisbon Treaty and despite it being 98 per cent the same as the constitution, the French, Dutch and just about everyone else were told it was completely different and no vote would be given, apart from the Irish who once again got it wrong and had to do it all over again. Once the people vote ‘Yes’ they are not given the same opportunity to change their minds.
Now, for anyone who has read this and is still under the delusion the EU is democratic, either think again or see your shrink as soon as possible– you are in urgent need of treatment!